After reading the nonsense printed as so called information concerning XXX Bible School, XXXXXXXX, and the Word of Faith Movement, I sincerely expected to see much more criticism on Dr. XXXX’s account. It is obvious that Wikipedia cannot be relied upon for factual information but is used purposely as an anti christian tool. However, as a Holy Spirit filled christian I am fully aware that the world could never understand an all powerful God capable of miracles and full of a love for all mankind that he would be impartial in giving such healings and wealth to all His children. I am greatly disappointed that one of God's annointed ministers such as Dr. XXXX has not gained your anti-faith based attention. .
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Can somebody please leave the annointed men of God alone!God says we as christians should not live like this world,we are different,and Please even if you claim to know dr XXX don't do what u have already done again. the bible says 'WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE ONE ANOTHER' and next time don't play with fire by trying to embarass the annointed of God because you embarass yourself. Think clearly before you throw stones to someone without looking at yourself
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The anonymous user immediately above at IP XXXX also deleted a comment (from a different IP address) from May, 2005 from the talk page entitled "Fools." It can be viewed by looking at the May '05 date in the talk page history.
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This isn't the place for this or for some of the comments below. If you want to rant, get a blog or find an appropriate newsgroup/forum or make your own website. I'm a Spirit-filled Christian as well and your feelings for the mentioned so-called ministries are at sharp contrast to mine, but Wikipedia is a place to convey knowledge, not to set up soapboxes.
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No, I think this is the place for these types of comments. This page is the "discussion" page. And regardless, look at the other Wikipedia articles and you'll see there are thousands of pages filled up with these types of debates. XXXX is a poor example of a minister if he drives around in a Rolls Royce. The Bible clearly does not promise material prosperity. What about all the starving Christians in Sudan? Is XXXX somehow more in touch with God than they are? He should sell one of his Rolls Royces and give the money to the poor.
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To help alleviate the confusion as to the purposed of an article's discussion page, I added the "talkheader" tag above. The purpose of this page is to discuss improving the article. It is not to express your opinions on the subject matter
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decided to remove this section because it was biased and many threw out opinions rather than facts. For instance the user states that one of the reason whyh XXXXX is controversal because he claims Jesus was God who came down as a man, which in fact is central to Christianity. Other negative things listed under the controversy section were simply made up and biased.
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I have restored the controversy section as it was. It contains two valid citations from reliable sources. It does not contain "made up material" as you falsely allege. Do not delete verified content on Wikipedia; you may be restricted from editing if you continue.
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Please see XXXX. The bulk of the text was unsourced and constituted an unsourced controversial claim about a living person, which should be removed on sight under our biographies of living persons policies. Rather than blindly restoring libel, you should confirm that the text really is cited. I have added sources about the lawsuit and changed the language to reflect what the (Newspaper) says about the amended lawsuit. I removed the (Denomination)criticism completely as it was unsourced.
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I take issue with your claim that "the bulk of the text was unsourced." Everything in a criticism section needs to be (1) reliably sourced both in terms of the thing being criticized actually having happened and in terms of the criticism being levied, (2) specifically about the subject of the biography in question and not just in general terms about something relating to him, (3) significant and not just some guy's rant, and (4) really a criticism and not merely a disagreement. Every non-XXX Christian, myself included, disagrees with the "name it, claim it" theology of the XXXers. It's a terrible heresy, but that doesn't mean that every XXXer's article should be turned into a criticism of (The Group) The statement "XXXX is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology" is true, but it doesn't belong in the criticism section unless there is really an objective criticism to be levied there, not merely that we disagree with it
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It's unclear to me exactly what you're flogging here. The statement "XXX is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology" satisfies all of your criteria: it's sourced to a New York Times article about XXX that spends at least three paragraphs explaining that there are individuals and organizations in the field who object to what he does ("an "F" grade for financial transparency"), i.e. there is in fact a controversy here. Are you suggesting that some further evidence of controversy is needed? I think the Times article is quite sufficient. If not, the whole sentence, perhaps dropping the word "controversial" should be appended to the lede paragraph to further explain who XXXX is.
As many of you may have been guessing, I have been sharpening my blog-knives to perhaps expand my subject a little and maybe take on Pack and the rest a little more than usual. Then, I wondered if it would be worth having these people commenting here. I haven't made any determination as yet, but if I turn off the comments field on a topic, you will know why.
And If you thought the Bible nerds were bad, Hil-Gle now presents a group of thorough policy nerds typing out things they would never dare say to each other in public. Again the typos are left in, mostly to restore my own sense of superiority, but also because they are fun. The topic on this one arguably was: Why is South America recognizing a Palestinian state?
Ignorance and lack of ability to think critically. I know how bad that sounds but it is not any more complicated than this.
Some of you may recall a few years back, shortly after having ordered the raid of a Jewish School in Caracas, a bewildered Hugo Chavez said to those critical of the raid, " What are you complaining about? These are the people who killed Jesus." Sadly, Hugo's view is far from unique.
Ignorance of history and the Middle East ( and most all else ) is rampant in Latin America. There is a reason that not a single top 200 ranked university in the world is found in Latin America.
The Latin Left hear a story of about people being "thrown off their land" and are immediately sympathetic.
Most Latin Americans are unfamiliar with what a Jew is, don't know any and have never heard of The Holocaust.
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Geez...
That's a pretty sad, inaccurate conception of Latin America you have there. Your conception of an ignorant, anarchic South America ruled by wacky, leftist dictators belongs more in American Cold War-era textbooks than in the 21st century. Just because Hugo Chavez or the Castros went on yet another of their shenanigans give you any sound reason to generalize the foreign policy of a 19-country continent.
And while it is true that education is a problem in South America, wan't it Chile who just joined the OECD, the country club of rich and socially equitable nations? Isn't Brazil making steady progress in the PISA and implementing successful measures to improve teacher productivity? As your clearly inaccurate answer shows, having top 200 universities doesn't magically boost the knowledge of all its citizens. In fact, this twisted little standard of yours would put pretty much the whole world -- bar the US, rich Europe, and China/Japan - as nations with "rampant" ignorance.
The world is much dumber than I thought.
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You left out Ortega, Correa and Morales in your list of would be dictators. One more and we will have nearly a third of the 19 nations that comprise Latin America in this camp. These guys got elected by ignorant populations and it isn't getting better. One of Ortega's recent shenanigans was to rip out the concrete menorah that had been at the start of Avenida Jerusalem in Managua for over 50 years.
One reason that these guys cuddle up with Middle Eastern, autocratic, medrassa supporting regimes, 80% of which think they are required to kill anyone who converts from Islam, is that they believe that it assists in giving their own bids to become dictators a bit of juice.
Now, US foreign policy in the region has been beyond idiotic and is certainly a big contributing cause. Good policy could have casued these countries to develop beyond the the colonialist, elitist, classist, countries that they have always been. The conditions created by the elitist classes combined with years of crap US foreign policy have fostered a batch of would be dictators who are going to be trouble.
miopic point of view
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It is obvious that there is ignorance in South America, just as well in North America and elsewhere. But this is the Zeitgeist of America now and always. You guys know best.
Having no university in the top 200 best doesn´t mean that there are no islands of excellence in the South or that all the decision makers are a bunch of ignorants without sophistication enough to analyse what is best for our countries. That would be the case for the US congress ( no capaital letters deserved lately) where there are criminals, oligarchs, simpletons and some few decent guys, looks a lot like many congresses in the South. The times, they are a´changin´, dude!
The US dept of State, the stable bureaucracy is so sophisticated that the whole Wikileaks story most interesting feature was the shallowness of the analysis made by the US ambassadors, I´d say that they rarely bring any light, mostly they sparkle a giggle of nuisance.
In terms of low qualification, we, the poor "ignoramuses" of the South, sometimes have the privilege of reading "civilized" articles and books written in the North by Bwana and in the light of such wisdom can take the right decision, bearing in mind our obvious mental limitation ( oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I´m one of those primitives who have for lack of education in the South had to be happy with speaking only 6 languages, freund, and can´t even compare to those dumb dudes at Itamaraty for example, one of the oldest diplomacy schools in the world) and the fact that we all only make a living out of drugs, banana farms and sleep the siesta crouching in front of our huts. Je suis trop de peine.
Don´t come with the anti americanism stupidity. I love the US, I travel there every 40 to 60 days and can´t avoid eating too much at the best places I know in NY, Miami, Houston, or Philly or have a wonderful chat with several friends in Baltimore and the DC. My hija (daughter) knew a good sunny day in Chicago before she ate her first feijoada and nearly froze a few minutes later in the cold. Don´t even talk of our sheer ignorance of Jews and Arabs, just for you to know, there are around half a million Jews in Latin America, my granny was one of them. About Arabs, dude, they are Millions, one of them was the prez of Argentina ( Menem), and in Brazil there are more Lebanese descendents than Lebanese in Lebanon ( it is a fact). And the case of sophisticated understanding of the world, you should travel to Chile, a country I love, and see the level of discussions you could led there. Or Peru, Colombia and its "intelligensia", Vargas Llosa as an example.
The Peruvian fusion cuisine for exaple is a mix of japanese and Andean traditions, what could be more globalized. I a dumb Brazilian have a lot of fun with some other dumb Latin friends of mine, the French, when I discuss how things are evolving for a more interconnected, better in a sense, world.
If you talk about Chavez rabid dog stance I will pull Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah ( I can see Russia from my window) Palin out of my sleeve.
So yeah, the LA ( not Los Angeles) countries do have knowledge of the Middle East. Some of the movements answer to more prosaic reasons than than the interest on the Palestine cause itself. Don´t forget, countries have interests, not friends. It is high time people start seeing the world with more mature eyes at the North of the Border, or else you risk being led by answers which were true yesterday, but not anymore.
Just to finish the looong speech, if you guys just read between the lines, you´d see that many (not all) of the movements in the South on this specific issue were orchestrated with the US, to create pressure on the Israeli side, that is now on the hands of the dumbest hawks ever. Oh God, why can we have an Itzhak Rabin on the driving seat again???
The Palestine side is so fractioned, lacking organized leadership and disorganized that someone that could use its noggin on the Israeli could make them dance a tango or a samba with Arab instruments in Gaza...
In the end, I naively believe, what we all want is to live in peace.
I have no ilusion of how bad things are in Latin America, they still are, but I don´t judge the US by what I saw in New Orleans , or what I see in Cape Cod or Martha´s Vineyard ( the "US of A " is a lot more than these extremes). So please, don´t make a vulgar judgement of countries you simply don´t know or understand. Oscar Wilde said that all crimes are vulgar and all vulgarity is criminal...
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